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[12:03:25] <ivyl> nice, now the time looks correct
[12:03:27] <ivyl> thanks
[12:03:45] <cmichael> hi secretary :)
[12:04:52] <Lyude> Hi everyone, time for role call: already got cmichael and ivyl. rg3igalia, mfilion, anholt_, alyssa ?
[12:05:07] <rg3igalia> Here 
[12:05:18] <ivyl> present
[12:06:39] <alyssa> hi, sorry
[12:08:07] <Lyude> cool! we've got quorum now :). The agenda for today: XDC updates, GSoC/Outreachy/EVoC, SFC, matrix (no updates here yet), COVID/XDC
[12:08:22] <Lyude> rg3igalia: any updates regarding XDC?
[12:08:46] <rg3igalia> Well, sima sent the requests for sponsorship
[12:09:17] <rg3igalia> We got a few ones already, sponsorbox showing, web updated
[12:09:27] <rg3igalia> Thanks daniels BTW
[12:09:56] <rg3igalia> Sent a request for organization proposals for next year, sent CFP reminder
[12:10:14] <rg3igalia> Got some proposals already, several registrations
[12:10:42] <rg3igalia> Everything looks good so far
[12:11:54] <rg3igalia> When I said we have some proposals already, I meant talk proposals
[12:12:15] <alyssa> Woo!
[12:12:15] <rg3igalia> Any questions?
[12:12:20] <Lyude> cool :)
[12:12:35] <Lyude> was just double checking who would be doing the next update for gsoc stuff
[12:12:38] <ivyl> rg3igalia: sorry for submitting one :-P
[12:12:50] <Lyude> cmichael: any updates on GSoC/EVoC?
[12:13:09] <rg3igalia> ivyl: nothing to regret so far 😅
[12:13:31] <cmichael> Lyude, not afaik. I was awaiting an email from tlwoerner about GSoc/EVoC to see where/how I could help with the process
[12:13:45] <cmichael> but I've not recieved an email about it :( 
[12:13:58] <cmichael> (unless it fell into my spam box and I missed it)
[12:14:33] <Lyude> tlwoerner: ^ any chance you're around?
[12:15:37] <Lyude> cmichael: I would say we should just keep poking them, it might have just slipped their mind
[12:16:08] <cmichael> Lyude, will do
[12:16:09] <Lyude> So updates on the SFC front: we just had a meeting with them last week and we'll be scheduling another one soon :)
[12:17:03] <alyssa> hopefully not on a quebec stat holiday this time ;)
[12:17:42] <Lyude> So I guess that just leaves COVID/XDC, rg3igalia ?
[12:18:32] <rg3igalia> Ok, we need to decide what kind of policy we'd like to have in XDC
[12:19:13] <alyssa> fwiw Canada and the US have both decided that covid doesn't exist anymore or something like that
[12:19:23] <rg3igalia> My proposal has more subtle points than what I'm going to tell you now
[12:19:23] * alyssa grips her kn95
[12:19:27] <cmichael> alyssa, lol
[12:19:31] <rg3igalia> But the basics are...
[12:20:16] <rg3igalia> Make masking recommended but not mandatory, so that both people who would like to mask and those who don't feel comfortable
[12:20:41] <rg3igalia> To minimize risks, highly recommend using antigen tests every day
[12:20:54] <rg3igalia> The organizers can provide tests for those attending
[12:21:28] <rg3igalia> And if someone tests positive, everybody masks up
[12:21:42] <rg3igalia> Notifying the board/organizers
[12:21:57] <rg3igalia> People with compatible symptoms should mask too 
[12:22:05] <rg3igalia> Sounds ok?
[12:22:13] <cmichael> +1 makes sense to me
[12:23:29] <rg3igalia> I can send this kind of policy, detailed, in an email to the board
[12:23:31] <Lyude> I think we should also make sure that we're providing masks as well, hm
[12:23:52] <ivyl> rg3igalia: people with compatible symptoms should now show up at all, no matter if it's covid or flu
[12:23:54] <ivyl> or something else
[12:23:58] <Lyude> also ^ probably that yeah
[12:24:02] <Lyude> better safe then sorry
[12:24:03] <rg3igalia> Lyude: I think that can be done too, I'll ask
[12:24:34] <Lyude> Do we know what cons like linux plumbers con are doing?
[12:24:46] <rg3igalia> ivyl: it can also be allergies or stuff like that, but i get your point
[12:25:17] <rg3igalia> At minimum, masking is needed, and people testing positive should stop showing up
[12:25:46] <alyssa> 16:20 < rg3igalia> Make masking recommended but not mandatory, so that both people who would like to mask and those who don't feel comfortable
[12:25:46] <Lyude> i'm slightly on the fence because tbh, I definitely kinda prefer the mask requirement. but also if we're actually giving people tests at the con that's not that bad of a compromise
[12:25:51] <alyssa> I don't think this really works tbh
[12:26:01] <Lyude> yeah, that's kinda my worry
[12:26:29] <alyssa> in the sense that... the people that who would mask in that scenario will not necessarily be comfortable around unmasked people
[12:26:40] <ivyl> rg3igalia: right, I would prefer a stronger language than "should". For the symptoms you can make an exception for know non-infectious conditions like allergies.
[12:26:51] <rg3igalia> The main point being people are already going to be traveling and I'm places where nobody is masking anymore
[12:27:09] <alyssa> given what I've seen on public transit in Canada and the US where masking is "recommended" ... in 2023 saying "masking recommended" is basically synonymous to not having any policy on masking at all
[12:27:25] <alyssa> that might be the call we want to make, I don't know
[12:27:28] <rg3igalia> So the conference itself is not going to add more significant risk, specially is people test daily
[12:27:41] <rg3igalia> But masks can help if an infection happens
[12:28:28] <rg3igalia> I can send a policy proposal to the board and we can continue discussing there
[12:28:35] <Lyude> yeah, I think that would probably be a good idea
[12:28:42] <alyssa> To be clear -- I don't have a strong opinion right now
[12:29:09] <ivyl> Just to play devil's advocate a little bit - I don't think that's necessarily true. Having a set group of people sitting in one place for a very long time calls for creating a hotspot. Some events like SGDQ still have a strong masking policy.
[12:29:23] <alyssa> I am just observing that "masking recommended" doesn't do what it sounds like
[12:29:33] <alyssa> at least in .ca/.us
[12:29:57] <ivyl> yep, over here it's the same, a very few people opt in
[12:31:06] <rg3igalia> ivyl: I don't disagree with you 🙂
[12:31:58] <Lyude> yeah - I do think we say mask recommended we kinda have to come to terms with the facts folks probably aren't going to wear masks :s. I wonder if there's other ways we can address some of the shortcomings of having masks anyway. I know we mentioned some of the transparent masks last time but I don't think we ever went much further with that, I also wonder if we could have spaces if
[12:32:00] <Lyude> folks want to have discussions without masks (mainly for folks where that would help with understanding the other person) since honestly that was pretty much the only complaint I think
[12:32:40] <rg3igalia> The conference center has a lot of outdoor space
[12:32:51] <rg3igalia> And good ventilation
[12:33:07] <rg3igalia> So if we want to make masks mandatory we could
[12:33:25] <rg3igalia> And people can go outside in breaks and talk without masks
[12:33:45] <rg3igalia> Provided it's not windy and raining 😅
[12:34:28] <rg3igalia> Anyway, email 
[12:34:33] <Lyude> mhm, I think -yeah
[12:34:50] <Lyude> was gnna say let's look over the policy in email, I might still lean towards mandatory masks but I've probably gotta consider it a bit more
[12:35:11] <Lyude> I guess if that's all on the agenda then that's it for the meeting everyone :), thanks for ocming
[12:35:13] <Lyude> *coming
[12:35:24] <alyssa> cheers
[12:35:34] <rg3igalia> 👋
[12:35:41] <cmichael> cheers
[12:35:46] <ivyl> cya!
[12:38:13] <tlwoerner> cmichael: it's still sitting in my "drafts" folder ;-)
[12:54:43] <cmichael> tlwoerner, ohhh, well that would explain why I never recieved it :)
[13:28:54] <anholt_> sorry, I was on taking the kid to camp today and couldn't join

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